The interview started a little rough, with host Chuck Todd introducing Kasich as Ohio’s former governor. 

“I’m not former, I’m still governor,” Kasich said. 

“You’re still governor?” Todd responded.

Kasich was asked about Nebraska’s decision to end capital punishment, and whether Ohio, which has had well-documented problems with executions, should consider that as well. Kasich noted the scarcity of the single drug Ohio plans to use puts the death penalty in a tricky situation. But he says he still supports it. 

“I think it is about justice,” Kasich said. “And I think it’s consistent with my faith. If I didn’t, I’d have to exorcise it. But look, at the end of the day, I’m also a secular official, right? I’m also the governor.”

And Kasich said for him, it’s also about grieving families getting closure.

Watch the full interview here.